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FINISH FROM ASCS SCORING

CROCKETT

HODGSON

SOLWOLD

MELWICKS

COLE

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RICKT OUT.......HOPE YOU ENJOYED!:cool:



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WOooo...wtg RC and the whole 7n team.  Speedweek sure has helped him in the overall ASCS points I would assume.  After the first two he wasnt even in the top 10(I dont think so anyways)

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if you weren't there, you didn't miss much. first off, right as the main was coming to the green flag rannard announced that they had conveniently lopped ten laps off the race, going from 40 to 30...way to sneak that in there so nobody could react to it. the reasoning was "tire wear" but guess what, as a former sprint car crew man, I know that you have already anticipated "tire wear" and made adjustments accordingly.

:X:X

just another sprint car race at Elma thats gotten shortened, I"m beginning to think that someone doesn't like sprint cars.

the track prep was great if you like no passing. there was a teeny bit of moisture at the bottom and absolutely nothing at the top, so it was a race to the bottom. anything above that little bit of moisture and your wheels were spinning.

the guy that I brought to the race for the first time tonight was so excited during the heat races "god these guys haul ass!" because they were able to get to the top.

mains....yeah, no. forget trying to drive the top because there was nothing there.

add it all up, and you get domination by the 7n car. AGAIN.  The ASCS Northwest should be the Crockett series because the format benefits him greatly. At least when cars timed in he didn't always have quick time. Here, he's always in the front, and always goes to the lead. Its redundant, boring, and most of all, frustrating to know that he's going to win every race.





ok off my soapbox. I really tried to keep my comments non-negative but I'm sure I will be censored for my rant.


good night.

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I dont really see how the format benefits RC....he started up front as much as others did.  He started in the back of his heat at Sunset and made it up thru the field(running high) when others weren't passing.  Its not his fault he and his team are fast.  He seemed to have a pretty good year last year and it was with a different format.  Sucks that the track was a one laner tho

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I had updates on my brother all night tonight, BUT it has been great getting the results every night, sure made it easier having to stay home.  CONGRATULATIONS to our Skagit guys, 44h, Brock, Solwold, Peterson, Barnes, Bergman, and Jared Ridge, WAY TO GO JARED on a good week of racing~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:D

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Hey racemom, have you ever herd of travis rutz. well he finished 9th. and he is from skagit...?



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add it all up, and you get domination by the 7n car. AGAIN.  The ASCS Northwest should be the Crockett series because the format benefits him greatly. At least when cars timed in he didn't always have quick time. Here, he's always in the front, and always goes to the lead. Its redundant, boring, and most of all, frustrating to know that he's going to win every race.

Not Sure why its an Advantage for Roger but I do agree with some of what you say. 

This New Format seems like a good way to avoid "fast" track Prep.  All importance on Speed seems to be removed.  Its the end of a comparision to a Track Record.  Granted - water, manpower and machinery cost Money.

It always irritates me when promoters tell me that Dry Slick is What Everyone wants making competition better for all.    I know that some racers do.   But from where we sit to spectate these days - fans don't.  The Groan when the First car in Time Trials would spin by 2 Seconds off the Record said it all.   It is fairer for all when theres only one Groove and they just line up and follow the leader around the bottom.  Everyone had an equal chance to draw a better pill.

I attended NO events of Speedweek for the first time Ever.   I love the Time Trials.  I liked the Dash.  I dont want to see kids draw buttons.   Change is everywhere  -- Nascar has become more like Bingo with its Lucky Dog awards etc.   The Luck of the Draw and the reduction of insentive to move ahead if you dont draw well is disturbing.

I know economic times are tough - but the tickets are no cheaper and the Entertainment value seems less as related to me by friends who did attend events this week. 

Just my Opinion as a Long Time Fan. 

Maybe were moving in racing toward an allotment of fuel  -- it will become not who gets there first but who can make the most laps with the 10 Gallons allotted ?  ( Kidding ) 

Thanks to all for Posting all the info/Updates on this Site -It Really was nice. 

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I see there are NO MyLaps results for Midweek Speedweek events  -- Any Idea Why ?    I was interested to know what lap times ranged  at Cottage Grove.

Thanks

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SprintFan437 wrote: add it all up, and you get domination by the 7n car. AGAIN.  The ASCS Northwest should be the Crockett series because the format benefits him greatly. At least when cars timed in he didn't always have quick time. Here, he's always in the front, and always goes to the lead. Its redundant, boring, and most of all, frustrating to know that he's going to win every race.

Not Sure why its an Advantage for Roger but I do agree with some of what you say. 

This New Format seems like a good way to avoid "fast" track Prep.  All importance on Speed seems to be removed.  Its the end of a comparision to a Track Record.  Granted - water, manpower and machinery cost Money.

It always irritates me when promoters tell me that Dry Slick is What Everyone wants making competition better for all.    I know that some racers do.   But from where we sit to spectate these days - fans don't.  The Groan when the First car in Time Trials would spin by 2 Seconds off the Record said it all.   It is fairer for all when theres only one Groove and they just line up and follow the leader around the bottom.  Everyone had an equal chance to draw a better pill.

I attended NO events of Speedweek for the first time Ever.   I love the Time Trials.  I liked the Dash.  I dont want to see kids draw buttons.   Change is everywhere  -- Nascar has become more like Bingo with its Lucky Dog awards etc.   The Luck of the Draw and the reduction of insentive to move ahead if you dont draw well is disturbing.

I know economic times are tough - but the tickets are no cheaper and the Entertainment value seems less as related to me by friends who did attend events this week. 

Just my Opinion as a Long Time Fan. 

Maybe were moving in racing toward an allotment of fuel  -- it will become not who gets there first but who can make the most laps with the 10 Gallons allotted ?  ( Kidding ) 

Thanks to all for Posting all the info/Updates on this Site -It Really was nice. 

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I see there are NO MyLaps results for Midweek Speedweek events  -- Any Idea Why ?    I was interested to know what lap times ranged  at Cottage Grove.

Thanks

Good suggestions and comments. How much more would you pay for admission if the racing was changed to suit you? Because the purse needs to be raised and the money shouldn't come from the back gate!

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sprintcarz wrote: SprintFan437 wrote: add it all up, and you get domination by the 7n car. AGAIN.  The ASCS Northwest should be the Crockett series because the format benefits him greatly. At least when cars timed in he didn't always have quick time. Here, he's always in the front, and always goes to the lead. Its redundant, boring, and most of all, frustrating to know that he's going to win every race.

Not Sure why its an Advantage for Roger but I do agree with some of what you say. 

This New Format seems like a good way to avoid "fast" track Prep.  All importance on Speed seems to be removed.  Its the end of a comparision to a Track Record.  Granted - water, manpower and machinery cost Money.

It always irritates me when promoters tell me that Dry Slick is What Everyone wants making competition better for all.    I know that some racers do.   But from where we sit to spectate these days - fans don't.  The Groan when the First car in Time Trials would spin by 2 Seconds off the Record said it all.   It is fairer for all when theres only one Groove and they just line up and follow the leader around the bottom.  Everyone had an equal chance to draw a better pill.

I attended NO events of Speedweek for the first time Ever.   I love the Time Trials.  I liked the Dash.  I dont want to see kids draw buttons.   Change is everywhere  -- Nascar has become more like Bingo with its Lucky Dog awards etc.   The Luck of the Draw and the reduction of insentive to move ahead if you dont draw well is disturbing.

I know economic times are tough - but the tickets are no cheaper and the Entertainment value seems less as related to me by friends who did attend events this week. 

Just my Opinion as a Long Time Fan. 

Maybe were moving in racing toward an allotment of fuel  -- it will become not who gets there first but who can make the most laps with the 10 Gallons allotted ?  ( Kidding ) 

Thanks to all for Posting all the info/Updates on this Site -It Really was nice. 

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I see there are NO MyLaps results for Midweek Speedweek events  -- Any Idea Why ?    I was interested to know what lap times ranged  at Cottage Grove.

Thanks

Good suggestions and comments. How much more would you pay for admission if the racing was changed to suit you? Because the purse needs to be raised and the money shouldn't come from the back gate!
I'd pay twice what I paid to get good, always competitive racing, and not feeling like I already know who is going to win every darn race

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Good suggestions and comments. How much more would you pay for admission if the racing was changed to suit you? Because the purse needs to be raised and the money shouldn't come from the back gate!  

Usual Faire for the Oregon Events was 15.00 in the NST Days  -   I would pay  $20.00,  or $25.00 if car count was high.   You cant buy much of a concert ticket for $20 - $25. 

Lowering Value to keep cost the same is a Poor Business Model but common in todays Marketplace.    It defeats the "you get what you pay for" addage of customer perception.    If this were an all new thing, an all new type of event,   it might seem a value.  But when you used to get more - and now the cost to attend  is the same, it is a percieved reduction in value.   ( Pay same get less )   --

To get what we used to get and pay more is just something that happens and in my opinion would be a much better option.   at least you Pay More Get Same  --  

Its a tough thing   - a fine balance  -- There are no races without Tracks  - There will be no tracks without racers  - There can be niether without stands full of fans.    We'll see what happens as the years events progress.    Several friends have indicated that they will probably attend the ASCS  events close to home but would no longer travel to do so,  in light of the aforementioned feeling about the NEW and IMPROVED Format and the high Travel Cost.

I've reached a point in my life where NEW and IMPROVED means  "OH CRAP  here we go  - another thing I like,  spoiled."   

It happens with  Salad Dressing - Tooth Paste -  Dryer Sheets   - It happens with Milk Jugs.   ( the new dribble down the side ones ).  If the Milk were 50 Cents cheaper I might be OK with it.   Its cheaper to produce  - they know that the public hates it - and its no cheaper to buy.     

I dont suppose all this really belongs in this thread   -- Sorry  -- 

There will be other format threads I'm sure  -- I'm new here but if still welcome I will add my 19 Cents worth.    ( No Longer 2 Cents Worth ) 

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There really seams t be a theme here. I've been to several races so far this year @ Elma.  The racing has been marginal.  Beyond dry slick, lights going  out, No medic's but sprinters are hot lapping, massive lines for everything (not just busy un-organized) angry fans.  It just seems like someones give a damn is broken. Back in the day (2 years ago)  things went really smooth. Track was always fast, happy fans, organized and killer racing. Sure seems like Elma is on a downward spiral.  The racers are un-happy with the format. The fans are un-happy with the format. Less bang for their BUCK. Who here is happy, Anyone?  There is a real difference between dry slick and crusted over and junk.  Skagit is a perfect example always goes dry and dusty but always very fast.  Someone is going to have to realize that there is a lot to do with your entertainment dollars and if the racing format keeps going the way it is and the track prep keeps going the way it is the fans and racers will find some where else to spend it.  Short events, so so racing because of track prep (lack there of) lots of not so user friendly experiences will start to change ones thoughts on going.  Elma has always been a PREMIER racing facility but as of late it is falling into the same class as St.Helens and Banks.  Dust bowls with crappie racing un-happy fans and a poor experience. I'll take part of that back, I was at banks on Thursday and yes the track was way to small but the boys put on a hell of a show. We were all shocked.  It's really to bad that Elma is being showed up by a little track in Banks.

Can anyone say lets have Steve Bietler take over and we run Friday nights at Elma and Saturday nights at Skagit.. I'm sorry its late and I'm rummy....Just a thought

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I attended every race for speedweek and can tell you where they need to make some changes.  One thing for the fans and also for the drivers they need to either bring back qualifying or add another set of heat races.  It gives both parties what they want and need, fans get to see more racing and the drivers better chance for the A-Main without needing the so called luck of the pill draw or if they have a problem in the heat race not having to start in the back of the B-Main because of it.



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skinny42 wrote: if you weren't there, you didn't miss much. first off, right as the main was coming to the green flag rannard announced that they had conveniently lopped ten laps off the race, going from 40 to 30...way to sneak that in there so nobody could react to it. the reasoning was "tire wear" but guess what, as a former sprint car crew man, I know that you have already anticipated "tire wear" and made adjustments accordingly.

:X:X

just another sprint car race at Elma thats gotten shortened, I"m beginning to think that someone doesn't like sprint cars.



If you WERE there, and walked the pits after the B-Main, almost every car there, had destroyed there tires. I was told by most drivers, that in the margin of 5 to 10 laps, they had no tire left. They were burning them off. that is why the A-Main was cut back. If they would of went 40, the last 5 laps, cars would of been blowing tires.

I know Glenn Borden Jr's left and right rear tires were almost completely bald.

I know that it's frustrating not to see a 40 lap A-Main, but I think it was a safe idea by ASCS NW Staff to cut it back to 30, because I think if they would of even made it to lap 35, tires would of started exploding.

I walked the pits after the A-Main, and looked at tires, and many of em looked bad, and some looked really bad.

All and all, Crockett was fast, and had a awesome Speedweek.

Also, a  few driver that I was really impressed with this weekend, was Jeff Hodgeson, he had a good run both nights, and another driver is Jared Ridge, the whole week, he was running really well.

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That was a great decision to cut laps for safety. But what about the racers and the fans?  I understand that the ASCS is a good thing to control cost level the playing field and give the drivers a chance to travel  and fit the rules where ever they go.  That being said on the side of the world ASCS is new and it needs some tweaking.  Support show needed, more track time for drivers, more racing for the fans.  Albeit a good thing to control costs as we speak right know it is hurting the shows we all get to see.  Not enough racing, to much down time and poor tires to cut even more laps. Something needs to be done to get back to quality racing like the NW is use to. Someone needs to listen to the fans and the racers.   Someone needs to give the fans more for a change. Just a thought.   ASCS will be great when it all gets works out.  Hope the fans and racers are the patient.. I understand format but there has to have some sort of flexibility to fit the market.  No support show when we don't have the car count to make full night of racing doesn't make sense.  One tire no matter what...WHY ?  Listen to the people before they change there minds about there entertainment dollars...  The Elma WAS one  of the best tracks in the country lets get back to that being so.

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Well I was there, as I have been for 7 out of the 8 ASCS events this year.  Never thought I`d see a one lane, tire eating dust bowl at Elma!  That was a first!  It has been a long week of sitting and looking at HOURS of an empty track as the nights progress, and half the time we were done before dark!  The constant down time takes away any excitement and drama generated by the racing!  The week did have it`s good points....such as the Lasoski/ Crockett battles at CG and Willamette and the few laps Crockett and Sowald went at it on Friday.  But overall I was kinda disappointed.  I guess I picked the wrong year to travel the Speedweek trail!  Rick T says give it time.....change may come next year.... so I guess I`ll take the rest of this season off and hope things change next year.  It`s a shame things have happened this way for this series.  I really loved it! But it`s so different now that I don`t enjoy it anymore!  Good luck to all the drivers and crews for the rest of the season! I`ll check back with you all next season!



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BCR wrote: That was a great decision to cut laps for safety. But what about the racers and the fans?  I understand that the ASCS is a good thing to control cost level the playing field and give the drivers a chance to travel  and fit the rules where ever they go.  That being said on the side of the world ASCS is new and it needs some tweaking.  Support show needed, more track time for drivers, more racing for the fans.  Albeit a good thing to control costs as we speak right know it is hurting the shows we all get to see.  Not enough racing, to much down time and poor tires to cut even more laps. Something needs to be done to get back to quality racing like the NW is use to. Someone needs to listen to the fans and the racers.   Someone needs to give the fans more for a change. Just a thought.   ASCS will be great when it all gets works out.  Hope the fans and racers are the patient.. I understand format but there has to have some sort of flexibility to fit the market.  No support show when we don't have the car count to make full night of racing doesn't make sense.  One tire no matter what...WHY ?  Listen to the people before they change there minds about there entertainment dollars...  The Elma WAS one  of the best tracks in the country lets get back to that being so.
Actually - the comment on the one tire is not accurate.  ASCS rules allow two RR tires.  My understanding is nobody in the pits had the hard tire.  You can't blame the track, the rules, or the series officials for that one.  The hard tire would have more than handled last nights track condition. 

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I'd pay twice what I paid to get good, always competitive racing, and not feeling like I already know who is going to win every darn race


I think you have some legitimate gripes Skinny, but I'm not seeing where anything other than the talent of Roger Crockett and the Henderson team is helping them to win any more than someone else.  They're just plain and simple - in a different league.  Only Shane Stewart/Silva/Doyles last year could match them.  It's hard to decide who is better to watch and learn from - Crockett or Fauver.

I usually go with Fauver because his car has more blue.:)

   

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Yes I have heard of Travis Rutz.  ALso heard that Ms. Huson and 2 others went three wide at ine point and was an awesome sight!:)

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wow I was mad I could not make speedweeks.  It sounds like I didn't miss anything. thanks for the updates all week.

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Roger Crockett is going to do good no matter what the format. I think he along with Jason Johnson and Gary Wright are the top 3 360 drivers in the country.

Now the format absolutely needs to be changed. Way too much 'luck' involved with drawing pills for your heat, then drawing pills again for the top 8. I think they either need to bring back qualifying or add in a second set of heats. Then instead of a top 8 redraw, they should just roll a dice or draw a pill for a 0, 4, 6, or 8 invert. It really doesn't seem fair if you are top in points and draw an 8, but the second guy in points draws a 1. I really don't care about the dash at all, I've always said why not do away with the dash and just put those laps in the main event.

Before I bash the track for Saturday let me say Friday night was a great race with a good top and bottom to run on.

The track for Saturday was quite frankly pathetic. Why did we even need to pack the track? They were kicking up dust while packing. That should be a clue that there is not enough water on the track. The first hotlap session I was blasted by more dust than I think I have ever seen at Elma. Then when smoke is rolling of the tires in the B Main and I can smell the rubber from the stands you know the track is taking rubber and its going to be a boring 1 lane race unless something is done. So what is done about this problem? We shorten the race to 30 laps because of tire wear instead of addressing the problem which was the track. Now if I remember right the main was over shortly after 9:30 so there would have been plenty of time do try to do something to the track. (And watering the very top were only Allard and Kinser raced one year was not the answer.)

I've seen way too many races cut short on speedweek the last few years because of curfews and tire wear. Luckily this year curfews were not an issue.

I think this might be my last NW Speedweek unless things are changed. I'm already thinking about Indiana Sprint Week for next year instead.



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I think the top 8 spots for the main should be determined by a qualifying event, that would make me happy.



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Bluteam wrote: skinny42 wrote:
I'd pay twice what I paid to get good, always competitive racing, and not feeling like I already know who is going to win every darn race


I think you have some legitimate gripes Skinny, but I'm not seeing where anything other than the talent of Roger Crockett and the Henderson team is helping them to win any more than someone else.  They're just plain and simple - in a different league.  Only Shane Stewart/Silva/Doyles last year could match them.  It's hard to decide who is better to watch and learn from - Crockett or Fauver.

I usually go with Fauver because his car has more blue.:)

   
oh I recognize the better talent Blue.....I just cannot stand him, makes me sick sick sick to take my first trip on speedweek and watch him dominate.

Hopefully something is done about the format because just about everyone I talked to is really disappointed.

I'm done complainin' now :) I love sprint cars. I love (loved?) Grays Harbor Raceway. It might just be time to take a break for awhile, like one of the other posters here....

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skinny42 wrote: Bluteam wrote: skinny42 wrote:
I'd pay twice what I paid to get good, always competitive racing, and not feeling like I already know who is going to win every darn race


I think you have some legitimate gripes Skinny, but I'm not seeing where anything other than the talent of Roger Crockett and the Henderson team is helping them to win any more than someone else.  They're just plain and simple - in a different league.  Only Shane Stewart/Silva/Doyles last year could match them.  It's hard to decide who is better to watch and learn from - Crockett or Fauver.

I usually go with Fauver because his car has more blue.:)

   
oh I recognize the better talent Blue.....I just cannot stand him, makes me sick sick sick to take my first trip on speedweek and watch him dominate.

Hopefully something is done about the format because just about everyone I talked to is really disappointed.

I'm done complainin' now :) I love sprint cars. I love (loved?) Grays Harbor Raceway. It might just be time to take a break for awhile, like one of the other posters here....

So skinny, your saying, you don't like a driver because they dominate Speedweek?

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skinny42 wrote: Bluteam wrote: skinny42 wrote:
I'd pay twice what I paid to get good, always competitive racing, and not feeling like I already know who is going to win every darn race


I think you have some legitimate gripes Skinny, but I'm not seeing where anything other than the talent of Roger Crockett and the Henderson team is helping them to win any more than someone else.  They're just plain and simple - in a different league.  Only Shane Stewart/Silva/Doyles last year could match them.  It's hard to decide who is better to watch and learn from - Crockett or Fauver.

I usually go with Fauver because his car has more blue.:)

   
oh I recognize the better talent Blue.....I just cannot stand him, makes me sick sick sick to take my first trip on speedweek and watch him dominate.

Hopefully something is done about the format because just about everyone I talked to is really disappointed.

I'm done complainin' now :) I love sprint cars. I love (loved?) Grays Harbor Raceway. It might just be time to take a break for awhile, like one of the other posters here....


I understand Skinny.   But if I know you, you won't stay away long.  ;)  First time you hear about a good race that you were not at, you'll kick yourself - like I did/do everytime.  :?




PS: we had the hard tire(s) in our trailer and would have enjoyed using it and griping to the officials about keeping the race 40 laps.  :P 

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sprint_car_fan2007 wrote: skinny42 wrote: Bluteam wrote: skinny42 wrote:
I'd pay twice what I paid to get good, always competitive racing, and not feeling like I already know who is going to win every darn race


I think you have some legitimate gripes Skinny, but I'm not seeing where anything other than the talent of Roger Crockett and the Henderson team is helping them to win any more than someone else.  They're just plain and simple - in a different league.  Only Shane Stewart/Silva/Doyles last year could match them.  It's hard to decide who is better to watch and learn from - Crockett or Fauver.

I usually go with Fauver because his car has more blue.:)

   
oh I recognize the better talent Blue.....I just cannot stand him, makes me sick sick sick to take my first trip on speedweek and watch him dominate.

Hopefully something is done about the format because just about everyone I talked to is really disappointed.

I'm done complainin' now :) I love sprint cars. I love (loved?) Grays Harbor Raceway. It might just be time to take a break for awhile, like one of the other posters here....

So skinny, your saying, you don't like a driver because they dominate Speedweek?
never liked him dude. just his attitude and the way he acts and speaks...doesnt sit well with me.

but yeah dominating the first speedweek I was ever able to go on didn't help :P

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skinny42 wrote: sprint_car_fan2007 wrote: skinny42 wrote: Bluteam wrote: skinny42 wrote:
I'd pay twice what I paid to get good, always competitive racing, and not feeling like I already know who is going to win every darn race


I think you have some legitimate gripes Skinny, but I'm not seeing where anything other than the talent of Roger Crockett and the Henderson team is helping them to win any more than someone else.  They're just plain and simple - in a different league.  Only Shane Stewart/Silva/Doyles last year could match them.  It's hard to decide who is better to watch and learn from - Crockett or Fauver.

I usually go with Fauver because his car has more blue.:)

   
oh I recognize the better talent Blue.....I just cannot stand him, makes me sick sick sick to take my first trip on speedweek and watch him dominate.

Hopefully something is done about the format because just about everyone I talked to is really disappointed.

I'm done complainin' now :) I love sprint cars. I love (loved?) Grays Harbor Raceway. It might just be time to take a break for awhile, like one of the other posters here....

So skinny, your saying, you don't like a driver because they dominate Speedweek?
never liked him dude. just his attitude and the way he acts and speaks...doesnt sit well with me.

but yeah dominating the first speedweek I was ever able to go on didn't help :P

Have you ever met Roger Crockett?? If not, he's a very nice guy. Also, I don't know if you noticed, but to me, his attitude has changed quite a bit, in the last 2 to 3 years. Thats what it seems like to me.

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we can go round and round SCF.....not gonna change my perception of him. I just dont do well with guys who are super cocky. He is. Thats it.

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So that's now 25 laps of A-main action elma owes the fans that have attended this race they shortned it from 40 to 25 laps a couple years back & now 40 to 30. I think everyone in attendance should be able to get a rain check for a free night of there choice. right after the B-Main I told some friends that I would bet them $100 bucks that right before the A-main starts Rannard will say this race has been shortned because of excessive tire wear. No takers. I thought the A-main at Banks was one of the worst A features I've ever seen, but Saturday nights was way worse.

I know alot of people gripe about how Bietler prepares Skagit (me included) but at least when he see's that he screwed up he'll almost always make an effort to rework the track to put on a good show for the fans, and give the racers a racey track. (it doesn't always work) but I applaud the effort he makes.   I saw absoulutley no effort made last night to better the track. putting the water at the very top was a joke. no one came within 25 feet of where they watered.

A dirt track should not take rubber in the 5th event of the night with only 31 cars, the sun was out but it was not cooking the track, there was a little wind but not severe enough to really dry out a track. 62 less laps on track with no qualifying. and why does it take forever to line up a heat race. seems like 15 to 20 minutes from the time 1 heat finishes until the next one starts.

Also why is the next ASCS race at Elma $22 for a 1 night show on a sunday & the purse is a normal payout, I could see paying that much if it was a $10,000 to win race. Is it just because they know the Outlaws are there monday & everyone will be camping there sunday.  I would hope they are having a couple of support classes to justify the price increase & I think they should make it a 40 lap A-main.  $22 is alot for 3 to 4 heats a b-main, & a possible race shortned a-main.



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I thought it was some good racing although the track was too dry.  I walked down on the track after the main event Saturday night it was so dry the clay was cracking and crumbling.

Way to go Crockett!!

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NW Sprintcar Fan wrote: and why does it take forever to line up a heat race. seems like 15 to 20 minutes from the time 1 heat finishes until the next one starts.



Excuse me??!!!

There was never an extended time between heat races.  Once the a heat race was finished the scorer was given a few seconds to tally points and the next one was pushed off.  There were a couple false finishes that required restarts, but the next heat followed soon after the last one finished.

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speedbuggy wrote: NW Sprintcar Fan wrote: and why does it take forever to line up a heat race. seems like 15 to 20 minutes from the time 1 heat finishes until the next one starts.



Excuse me??!!!

There was never an extended time between heat races.  Once the a heat race was finished the scorer was given a few seconds to tally points and the next one was pushed off.  There were a couple false finishes that required restarts, but the next heat followed soon after the last one finished.


I think the 15-20 mins between heat races might be a slight exageration - considering that the 4 heat races were done from start to finish in about 40 mins.  But I understand (from sitting in the stands this weekend) the perception of taking a while for the next race to come out. 

I think the layout of GHR's pits/push off lane contributes to additional time of getting cars out there.  It's a good long distance from the start of pushing until they enter the track and allows for only 1 car to be safely started at a time.  

   

 

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at least the pushoff lane at GHR isn't like the one at Banks....they actually had the mules and four wheelers push the cars onto the track and THEN the push rigs got behind the cars. I've been there five times now and I still get a kick out of it.

22 dollars for the night before the outlaws huh...hmm...yeah probably won't see me there after last night. I guess I've just lost a lot of faith in the GHR guys.

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skinny42 wrote: at least the pushoff lane at GHR isn't like the one at Banks....they actually had the mules and four wheelers push the cars onto the track and THEN the push rigs got behind the cars. I've been there five times now and I still get a kick out of it.


Thats an interesting system.  Did it seem to work OK Skinny?  I would think the fans would love seeing the push trucks and drivers firing off the car up close.  I know when we start the car at home the neighbors pour out to watch it.:)

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doesn't seem to be any worse than doing it in the pits. sometimes the cars wont fire right away but for the most part it seems to work out


Blu...I must have been mistaken when I told my girlfriend that you guys had already raced there last year???

maybe I was thinking Madras-

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Yep - never been to Banks, and TJ's first race in a sprint car was at Madras last year.

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Well, it looks as though anything that needs to be aired has been. There is quite a few comments and concerns here without getting to a point of being rude. I appreciate that everyone. Voicing your opinion is one thing. Being rude and obnoxious about it is another. Every single thing said here has crossed my mind. Some I agree with, some not. I will tell you that the gods are listening. Keeping things decent will make your voice louder. Don't hesitate to have a personal discussion with any of them. Just keep it decent. They WILL listen to your comments.

And OBTW.. on that tire thing and shotening the race and Crockett winning everything. I agree there was alot of bad tires at the end of the night but the guy that won could have ran 20 more laps. I looked at his RR and it was probably still 50%. The use of that tire is why he won. It is called throttle control. Crockett is one of the best at it and that RR proves it. Simple as that in my opinion.

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$22.00 for the night before the outlaws hopefully the extra $7.00 will go in towards putting some fuel in the water truck.



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ok, RickT, thanks for letting us post our suggestions to make the nights show more appealing for the fans.

as a fan who had to drive six hours to get there, there was not enough racing to make me some back for the next race this year. i want more racing or a little filler racing to keep me amused in the stands. We'll return next year if the format changes.

prefer time trials to pill draws, and a quick pick for the A-main invert.

sure hope the series makes some changes and prospers!

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rickt wrote: Well, it looks as though anything that needs to be aired has been. There is quite a few comments and concerns here without getting to a point of being rude. I appreciate that everyone. Voicing your opinion is one thing. Being rude and obnoxious about it is another. Every single thing said here has crossed my mind. Some I agree with, some not. I will tell you that the gods are listening. Keeping things decent will make your voice louder. Don't hesitate to have a personal discussion with any of them. Just keep it decent. They WILL listen to your comments.

And OBTW.. on that tire thing and shotening the race and Crockett winning everything. I agree there was alot of bad tires at the end of the night but the guy that won could have ran 20 more laps. I looked at his RR and it was probably still 50%. The use of that tire is why he won. It is called throttle control. Crockett is one of the best at it and that RR proves it. Simple as that in my opinion.

Once again, thanks everyone....... Rickt:cool:


throttle control or traction control????? heheheh seems that there have always been rumors about stretching of the rules in regards to certain devices ;););)

 

 

hey Rick...I know I'm one of the most vocal about my frustrations...but thanks for a place to get it out :-D much appreciated

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