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 Posted: Tuesday May 27th, 2008 02:33 AM
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First off, I want to say that I think it`s great what Emmett Hahn and Tommy Estes have done in getting 360 racing across the country on the same page, and doing thier best to control the escalating cost of the sport.  I also want to thank George Wade and Greg Burgess for stepping up and doing what it takes to keep a traveling 360 series alive in the northwest.  As for the new rules here goes......Time Trials...I can live without them.  It was nice to see the heat races start with a nice tacky track.  My first gripe comes with the heats.  I understand the pill draw is needed if your not going to time in. But using the passing points has really taken a lot of "fun" out of the heats. I used to watch for the race within the race, for the transfer spot.  Now we really have no idea where that spot is, thus there goes the drama!  Then they eliminate the dash, WHY?, To speed up the program?  Heck we were finished before dark!  How much shorter can it be?  Besides it took longer to get the drivers and kids on the track for the pill draw than it would have taken to run a dash where the drivers have to earn the spot rather than luck of the draw.  And didn`t the kids get to draw for spots in the dash?  There was way too much down time and less racing.  Now I get to the B mains....With this new format we have eliminated the chance for some "alphabet soup" runs... I remember a few years ago, Jay Cole got stuck in the C main, made thr transfer to the B the worked his way to the A .  Great drama there!!!  Hell, I`m not a Cole fan, but I was that night.  I think Billy Nutter did the same thing last year,  Those things are now not possible anymore.  And thats sad.  I have to say the two A mains were very good this weekend. It was fun to see "the big dogs"  have to start a little further back than they were accustomed to.  But unfortunatly some of the earlier drama has been lost to me.  Of coarse this is just my opinion!..........Thanks, Mark



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less racing....more cost to the fan....less cost to the racers....slippery slope.

I personally am disappointed at the death of time-ins....and the dashes...it means less racing for me to watch. It seems like the actual racing is a little better, I loved that the 7n and the 1 and numerous other good cars were buried in the starting lineup Sunday night. The ASCS formula works--its just going to take some adjusting for us NW fans who are used to the old way.


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You now have to write down what the starting line ups are. Then where they finish, or how many cars they have past. Most of the time the tranfers are the same 2nd and 3rd place, unless there is lots of passing. Then maybe forth. Most of the time its the top 3.

I have been through this with the Late Models using passing points.



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skinny42 wrote: less racing....more cost to the fan....less cost to the racers....slippery slope.

I personally am disappointed at the death of time-ins....and the dashes...it means less racing for me to watch. It seems like the actual racing is a little better, I loved that the 7n and the 1 and numerous other good cars were buried in the starting lineup Sunday night. The ASCS formula works--its just going to take some adjusting for us NW fans who are used to the old way.



 

Less cost to the racers? Where and how?

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less laps. thats my reasoning anyway.

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OK...so I went on Saturday....my take:

I hate not having time in. What did it 'save' in the track - nothing. The track slicked off in hot laps. No more bee-otch'n about the dust at Skagit after that on Saturday. I never complain about dust/dirt - it's a dirt race folks. But the amount of crapola heaped on Skagit made Elma sound the Holy Grail of track prep.. Nope.

For me, it's nice to see time ins so I can see each car and driver and can get an idea of who might be a hot shoe that night, who's a gasser and who isn't.

No dash - lame. Give us the dash - racer's race to win, not stupid blind luck.

No filler class. What's up with that. Would of been nice to see maybe some Focus midgets or something. That was a loooooooooong time between the heats and B-main, then the A-main. Great - the races were done way early, but you know what - I almost feel cheated out of my money.

In the end, Barney drove a great race and the race for 2nd in the A-main was awesome. But, not so sure I'll trek back down for another ASCS race. Maybe a normal Sat night race. Otherwise, I'll stick to Skagit.

-David

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Hey guys, I can tell you all of this input will be read and it is appreciated.  I'll do my best to answer what I can.  That does not mean it will be an answer that pleases you but it will be an answer.  Again the input is appreciated and so is your attendance. 

heats/passing points - in the old format everything was based on time trials, qualify well start up front, do well transfer and start up front again.  With passing points ... granted it would be nice to have full heats, but a racer starting in the last row could still transfer with some driving.  

B's or C's - You are correct once in a great while someone could run the soup which is very cool.  However majority of times your c cars would transfer to back of the b and their night would be over.  Now, with multiple b's it is much more racer friendly as if someone has a bad heat or struggles for some reason ... having multiple b's and having them a maximum 12 cars ...even if starting at the back someone has a chance to drive through and make the feature.  Sunday night we had two six car b's to me any of these guys had a great shot at the feature, a shot they would not have had with the old c & b format.  

Dashes - ASCS just eliminated the six car dashes in 2008, this was done after input from the regional and national racers just felt like it was waste of fuel and tires.  They were happy to trade a six car dash for an eight car redraw.  Again not all racers agreed or even had input but majority liked the idea and like it so far in 2008.    

Racers - racing to win vs blind luck .... I am not sure we can question that the main events this weekend were both great with many racers racing to win and great racing throught the field. 

Lastly - We are an ASCS Region and will be sticking with the ASCS Format.  Thank you to all the racers and fans who attended.  Was it perfect?  No way! Does the ASCS NW staff have much to improve on?  Yes we do and we know it, I can promise we will work to make this region one of,  if not the best in the nation. 

Again your support is appreciated. 

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Thanks for responding Greg.  I know its not your call on the format ASCS follows.  I also know it`s not make or break for me on weather I`m going to attend or not.  Heck, I`m an addict and I know it.  Just really didn`t know how much the little tweeks in the format were going to affect the the overall event!  Looking forward to June 6 and 7 now! 



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mesprint69 wrote: Thanks for responding Greg.  I know its not your call on the format ASCS follows.  I also know it`s not make or break for me on weather I`m going to attend or not.  Heck, I`m an addict and I know it.  Just really didn`t know how much the little tweeks in the format were going to affect the the overall event!  Looking forward to June 6 and 7 now! 

Thanks Mark,  you support is appreciated.

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dnsprint2000 wrote: OK...so I went on Saturday....my take:

I hate not having time in. What did it 'save' in the track - nothing. The track slicked off in hot laps. No more bee-otch'n about the dust at Skagit after that on Saturday. I never complain about dust/dirt - it's a dirt race folks. But the amount of crapola heaped on Skagit made Elma sound the Holy Grail of track prep.. Nope.

For me, it's nice to see time ins so I can see each car and driver and can get an idea of who might be a hot shoe that night, who's a gasser and who isn't.

No dash - lame. Give us the dash - racer's race to win, not stupid blind luck.

No filler class. What's up with that. Would of been nice to see maybe some Focus midgets or something. That was a loooooooooong time between the heats and B-main, then the A-main. Great - the races were done way early, but you know what - I almost feel cheated out of my money.

In the end, Barney drove a great race and the race for 2nd in the A-main was awesome. But, not so sure I'll trek back down for another ASCS race. Maybe a normal Sat night race. Otherwise, I'll stick to Skagit.

-David

are you sure you went to elma? after going to skagit sat. and elma on sun.theres no comparison on track prep elma was smooth as usual and skagits like watching baja

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dnsprint2000 wrote: OK...so I went on Saturday....my take:

I hate not having time in. What did it 'save' in the track - nothing. The track slicked off in hot laps. No more bee-otch'n about the dust at Skagit after that on Saturday. I never complain about dust/dirt - it's a dirt race folks. But the amount of crapola heaped on Skagit made Elma sound the Holy Grail of track prep.. Nope.

For me, it's nice to see time ins so I can see each car and driver and can get an idea of who might be a hot shoe that night, who's a gasser and who isn't.

No dash - lame. Give us the dash - racer's race to win, not stupid blind luck.

No filler class. What's up with that. Would of been nice to see maybe some Focus midgets or something. That was a loooooooooong time between the heats and B-main, then the A-main. Great - the races were done way early, but you know what - I almost feel cheated out of my money.

In the end, Barney drove a great race and the race for 2nd in the A-main was awesome. But, not so sure I'll trek back down for another ASCS race. Maybe a normal Sat night race. Otherwise, I'll stick to Skagit.

-David


Yes, the track slicked off, but no holes or ruts at all...that's the big difference.

Hats off the the ASCS Northwest crew for giving us a traveling series to follow!

I enjoyed both nights of racing. Yes, the new format will take some getting use to, I like time-ins and the dashes as well, but keep throwing down A features like the two this weekend and it won't be an issue. One thing that is pretty cool about the format is that it gives the lower dollar teams a better shot at making the A feature. There were cars in the A both Sat. and Sun., that would have never made it in under a qualifying system.

I also liked the fact the big guns had to race from mid pack vs. starting up front.

 

Thumbs up to you Greg for addressing peoples concerns and questions on here.

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If I heard correctly over the weekend there is an option to time in the cars under the ASCS format.  With only 28 cars that would of been a great idea.  Plus it definitely lets the drivers start where they should and where they've earned to start.  I really didn't see very many drivers move up a ton of positions in the heats.  Which meant passing points didn't mean squat.  Like it's been mentioned before that put some people that typically wouldn't of been in the A-main in the feature. Which isn't necessarily the best thing for anyone.  I don't dislike the new format but are definitely a little skeptical.  It seems that if you don't pull a good pill to start the night you are just lagging behind all night.  Hopefully with the other tracks in the series there will be more passing in the heats putting more passing points into the mix.  I think the ASCS series this year should be very exciting.  I look forward to watching it.



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I also miss the possibility of drivers doing the alphabet soup (C to the B to the A). A driver who I remember doing this is T.J. Winningham in '06 at Elma on the night that Jay Cole won. T.J. has also done it at Cottage Grove, which is no easy task.

Looking at my notes, the only driver who did any serious passing was Travis Rutz on Sunday (he passed four cars for six points). I agree with Cowboy that a few drivers that have a tight budget get more of a chance to make the A-Main.

If the track is prepped right, there will be some more passing and drivers get a chance to earn over 60 points if they start in the back and move their way forward. I hope it'll happen when they race at Oregon's tight bullrings.

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Hey Greg -

Thanks for the response. I appreciate the forum and your attention. As mentioned after my post - and I'm sure it will be different at different tracks - the heats just strung out immediately. No qualms with the final - great race. Guess it's just a different way of doing things and I like my little comfort as I've known it for the last upteen years. :D

Hope all goes well for you all and the ASCS.....

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To everyone else....

You know - it's funny. You all complain when Skagit slicks off and goes dusty - great racing, but dusty. Steve heavies up the track which has created new problems and now you complain about baja. Elma slicks off and it's no big deal...... I don't get it....

What do you want?

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Any track is gonna slick off and be dusty when its 85 and windy.  Not a lot you can do with those conditions. 



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Don't get me wrong - I think dry slicks give some of the best racing. I have no qualms with dust - I never complain about it - it's called DIRT track racing. :cool:

I'm simply stating observations...

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mesprint69 wrote: Any track is gonna slick off and be dusty when its 85 and windy.  Not a lot you can do with those conditions. 

Ain't that the truth! Ever been to California and watched a sprintcar race in the middle of summer?:shock:

I have no problem with some dust. After all, it is dirt. Its those tracks that you go to and can't see the cars because of dust that bug me.

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dnsprint2000 wrote: To everyone else....

You know - it's funny. You all complain when Skagit slicks off and goes dusty - great racing, but dusty. Steve heavies up the track which has created new problems and now you complain about baja. Elma slicks off and it's no big deal...... I don't get it....

What do you want?

David

being that only one person responded there is no everyone else ,ive never complained when skagit slicks off ,it only slicks off by accident ,steve doesnt heavy it up he makes a rough standing water on the bottom mud hole and calls it a race track week after week , i personally would like to see a dry racy track it just doesnt happen very often .you shouldnt have to tear cars up just to survive a heat race

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Swindell_Fan1 wrote: dnsprint2000 wrote: To everyone else....

You know - it's funny. You all complain when Skagit slicks off and goes dusty - great racing, but dusty. Steve heavies up the track which has created new problems and now you complain about baja. Elma slicks off and it's no big deal...... I don't get it....

What do you want?

David

being that only one person responded there is no everyone else ,ive never complained when skagit slicks off ,it only slicks off by accident ,steve doesnt heavy it up he makes a rough standing water on the bottom mud hole and calls it a race track week after week , i personally would like to see a dry racy track it just doesnt happen very often .you shouldnt have to tear cars up just to survive a heat race


Unfortunately there are race fans out there that think all the excitement is from the crashes. For this reason I would say Skagit has provided some of the most exciting racing in the Northwest. This has changed for the better since Steve has tried to tame the track. It seems to be easier on equipment, but harder on the fans. Comparing Grays Harbor to Skagit just causes unnecessary grief among the die hard fans and doesn’t accomplish anything positive for the racing community. Everyone should try to come together and work towards uniting the Northwest. That way there might be some positive progress to keep the sport alive.



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Double Nickel wrote:

Unfortunately there are race fans out there that think all the excitement is from the crashes.

 

For me the excitement was seeing TJ run up top for the first time at GHR Saturday in the B-main.  :shock: 

Mitch Olson - you're a bad influence!  ;)  So are all of you other guys that make it look so easy.  Crazy [url=mailto:Bas&@#%'$]Bas&@#%'$[/url] !!!!!!!!!!!! 

Extra congrats to Jamie Barnes and Seth Bergman.  :cool: 

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For me the excitement was seeing TJ run up top for the first time at GHR Saturday in the B-main.  :shock: 

Hey - the kid was looking good!!!!!!

David

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For me, the excitement is seeing the race. If that means a rougher track and less dust, I'm all for it.

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Bluteam wrote: Double Nickel wrote:

Unfortunately there are race fans out there that think all the excitement is from the crashes.

 

For me the excitement was seeing TJ run up top for the first time at GHR Saturday in the B-main.  :shock: 

Mitch Olson - you're a bad influence!  ;)  So are all of you other guys that make it look so easy.  Crazy [url=mailto:Bas&@#%'$]Bas&@#%'$[/url] !!!!!!!!!!!! 

Extra congrats to Jamie Barnes and Seth Bergman.  :cool: 

Me too! I was wondering the whole time, why he wasn't up there where he loves to hang.



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skipsmith wrote: Bluteam wrote: Double Nickel wrote:

Unfortunately there are race fans out there that think all the excitement is from the crashes.

 

For me the excitement was seeing TJ run up top for the first time at GHR Saturday in the B-main.  :shock: 

Mitch Olson - you're a bad influence!  ;)  So are all of you other guys that make it look so easy.  Crazy [url=mailto:Bas&@#%'$]Bas&@#%'$[/url] !!!!!!!!!!!! 

Extra congrats to Jamie Barnes and Seth Bergman.  :cool: 

Me too! I was wondering the whole time, why he wasn't up there where he loves to hang.



 

LOL! :D 

I saw Mitch Olson up there, but he wasn't going anywhere while he was up there. I was behind JJ JJ Dishneau, and JJ actually got by Mitch, so I figured the bottom was faster than the top.

But, with about 3 laps to go, Mitch took off on the top. :shock: He went right by JJ, and when I saw that, I had to do something different....:)

Oh, and it's a LONG ways around up there! :shock:

I had fun. I love the dry slick tracks. I think it's more fun. ;)

TJ

 

EDIT: OOPS! Was under my dads name for some reason.....

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This Tommy Estes of ASCS thinks qualifing is a waste of time,, Well he only has one thing on his mind,,, $..............

At the next ASCS race I think we should all play bingo while we are watching the cars hot lap,, and then we will know who's where in the heat races and mains..

Take this Tommy, George and Greg,,, and maybe we will give you some playing cards too!!!!!

Oh yea I think I'm going to write a letter to Nascar and let them know the time trails take up to much time and also way to much TV time,,, oh yea way to much time!!

Thats my  3 cents to you Tommy,,,& ASCS :X

 



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HarleyTom wrote: This Tommy Estes of ASCS thinks qualifing is a waste of time,, Well he only has one thing on his mind,,, $..............

At the next ASCS race I think we should all play bingo while we are watching the cars hot lap,, and then we will know who's where in the heat races and mains..

Take this Tommy, George and Greg,,, and maybe we will give you some playing cards too!!!!!

Oh yea I think I'm going to write a letter to Nascar and let them know the time trails take up to much time and also way to much TV time,,, oh yea way to much time!!

Thats my  3 cents to you Tommy,,,& ASCS :X

 


Bingo??? At your house or the race track?

Ya, the new format is not suited to everybody- not even me. But come out to the track and give it a chance to let it wear on you and it will. I'm actually getting used to Barnum and Bailey riding the bicycles through the pits.

For the weekly shows I myself have preferred losing the time trials. With the addition of the new class (remember way too many of you all thought the "whore nets" were a great addition) you can't cut back on the number of classes to assure the nightly program will get done earlier. So if you can't cut back the classes then qualifying is the part of the program that would seem most likely to go. Disclaimer: this is pure speculation based on logic. Possibly similar to the logic Skinny42 used to determine that cutting back on the laps will result in lower cost for the sprint car racers.

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Harley Tom......Huh????

How does not having qualifying equal more dollars for ASCS?

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HarleyTom wrote: This Tommy Estes of ASCS thinks qualifing is a waste of time,, Well he only has one thing on his mind,,, $..............

At the next ASCS race I think we should all play bingo while we are watching the cars hot lap,, and then we will know who's where in the heat races and mains..

Take this Tommy, George and Greg,,, and maybe we will give you some playing cards too!!!!!

Oh yea I think I'm going to write a letter to Nascar and let them know the time trails take up to much time and also way to much TV time,,, oh yea way to much time!!

Thats my  3 cents to you Tommy,,,& ASCS :X

 


 Tom..although I know this whole thing does not make you happy I think you are a little better than this post. I fully understand your frustration but might I suggest a private message to Greg or an e-mail to George. Heck, maybe one to Tommy also. You are not alone being frustrated with the current format but we gotta give it a chance. Many are just to used to things and don't like change. I for one don't much care for it either but am willing to give it chance. It is the only game we got to watch.

 So please choose your words carefully because some here think they may be borderline on bashing which we do not allow. My biggest hope is that we have not lost a huge fan of GHR or NWRT.

 PM me with any questions or comments Tom.. I am always open to answer anyone

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For what it is worth, I like the fact that there is no qualifying. I don't however, like the idea of no dashes and only one heat race. At one point ASCS had a two heat race format and I believe some regions still use it. It goes like this, if a guy draws the pole of his first heat race he would start at the back of his second heat race and points for finishing position and passing would be totalled after the heats to fill the double B's and A feature with the top eight guys in points either running a dash or re-drawing #'s for their starting spots. It is cool format and gives the fans a chance to see lots of racing/passing. I know, someone will come on here and shoot me down saying that there simply isn't enough time to run two heat races and the mains. I say BS, there has only been 20-35 cars on average at most of the last few years NST, NSCS and now ASCS NW events and with the addition of the raceiver radios and transponders, I have a hard time figuring out why it could not easily be done. They run 60 + cars a night at the chili bowl using a similar format and actually running more races ( qualifiers and double D and C mains ) and still get done before 10 or 11 PM and most people will tell you that is the best racing they have ever seen. Pipe dream or not, it would cool to see. Just my 1/2 of a cent.  

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br wrote: For what it is worth, I like the fact that there is no qualifying. I don't however, like the idea of no dashes and only one heat race. At one point ASCS had a two heat race format and I believe some regions still use it. It goes like this, if a guy draws the pole of his first heat race he would start at the back of his second heat race and points for finishing position and passing would be totalled after the heats to fill the double B's and A feature with the top eight guys in points either running a dash or re-drawing #'s for their starting spots. It is cool format and gives the fans a chance to see lots of racing/passing. I know, someone will come on here and shoot me down saying that there simply isn't enough time to run two heat races and the mains. I say BS, there has only been 20-35 cars on average at most of the last few years NST, NSCS and now ASCS NW events and with the addition of the raceiver radios and transponders, I have a hard time figuring out why it could not easily be done. They run 60 + cars a night at the chili bowl using a similar format and actually running more races ( qualifiers and double D and C mains ) and still get done before 10 or 11 PM and most people will tell you that is the best racing they have ever seen. Pipe dream or not, it would cool to see. Just my 1/2 of a cent.  
I believe I heard this weekend that there are not any regions that run this as a regular format.  It is used at some special shows.  Everyone agrees great format.  It just won't happen here ... in 2008 anyway.  As my first post said ..back before the first of the year,  we will work on consistency.  All Saturday or Sunday night would have taken is a couple more wrecks that took awhile to remove and it would have been 10:30 or later.  Agreed though it is a great format.  It sure was cool to see so many kids get to visit the pits that normally would not due to the late hour. 



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I like the new format.  some guys can race but cant qualify very good and some can qualify and cant race that good.  i like how 3 of the top five sunday started from the 4th row on back. the fast cars are always going to go to the front.  better yet lets put the fast guys up front so they can run single file and finish with in a spot or two of there starting spot thatll be fun to watch. 

For the two heat format:  I ran it in Australia and it was fun, They would switch rows and invert them from the first heat you ran. then the mains were totally inverted every night now au runs outlaw format and its not as fun to watch they tell me now.

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I agree.

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I for one do like qualifying and wish they wouldn't of done away with it however, this new format is putting the guys we use to seeing up front further on in the back of the pack and having to charge to the front which is very exciting to see.  I got to say Sunday watching Allard, Crockett, Van Dam & Barnes charge from the back was very exciting to watch.



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JB wrote: I like the new format.  some guys can race but cant qualify very good and some can qualify and cant race that good.  i like how 3 of the top five sunday started from the 4th row on back. the fast cars are always going to go to the front.  better yet lets put the fast guys up front so they can run single file and finish with in a spot or two of there starting spot thatll be fun to watch. 

For the two heat format:  I ran it in Australia and it was fun, They would switch rows and invert them from the first heat you ran. then the mains were totally inverted every night now au runs outlaw format and its not as fun to watch they tell me now.


I agree JB.. There is plenty of time to do this. Had enough time to do it just in the delay time between final heat and B main. Lets hope that maybe they will look at for next season and having it suggested by drivers like you can't hurt...

OBTW, kudos on a great weekend and season so far...        Rickt:cool:



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I really have no complaints about the new format, i like watching the faster guys race from the back to the front for example H.V.D started like 17th and finished 4th, the only thing i didnt like is before when there was a bad/false start they inverted the 2 front rows but they didnt do that this time, that is all i really didnt like, other than that i think it was a good weekend of racing.



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